We had two comments in a prior thread which are suggesting something new to me. Either that or we are exploring, yet again, the dark underbelly of career transition and it is important to understand it and make it work for you. Instead of letting it get you down.
even if my scored-but-unfunded K-grant proposal were suddenly back in for reconsideration, I would still have the problem that my university doesn't want to give me a job title that NIH would find suitable enough.
to which I responded:
Something doesn't add up.
Why would msphd's institution submit the proposal on her behalf then refuse the promotion? Now if it was a promotion contingent on the award, that would be familiar...but then this comment wouldn't make any sense.
I'm in the same boat. As a postdoc, one can apply for a K-award through my institution. But they ain't promising a promotion contingent on the award. Not to everyone who applies, anyway.
Strolling on over to the NIH's K Kiosk I found the following graphical representation.
So we need to be a little clearer about what we are discussing. The minimally utilized K22 and the new-ish K99/R00 or the traditional K01? Usually when someone refers to a K, unmodified, I'm going to assume the K01. The K99 is awarded to postdocs by design so it seems unlikely we are talking about this one.
The K01 should be awarded to someone with an independent scientist type appointment. Which is not the same as an Assistant Professor slot. So if you are expecting this latter to come with a K01 award, well, that isn't obligatory. The University may, however, use one of an unending word salad of titles such as Adjunct Assistant Professor, Assistant Professor in Residence, Assistant Professor of -ology, as their non-tenure track titles for an independent scientist. Some may simply use Research Associate, Research Scientist, Project Scientist or other descriptor. Just so long as the position is arguably a real job with nominal independence from any other professor at the University, all is well. So far as awarding the grant goes anyway because (repeat after me) the NIH grant is awarded to the institution, not the PI. Well, okay, K-mechs are a little more arguable but in the pre-award phase the point is that anyone is qualified if the institution says so. NIH doesn't care what the local name for the position is.
Now, I don't know if msphd's original comment referred to this situation or not. But it would not be at all unusual if the offer of the nominally independent position depended on the grant award. So, if I read her comment right, the institution isn't "refusing", she just hasn't fulfilled the other side by getting the award funded. It would also not be unusual, IME, for the institution to have changed policies once or twice between submission of the K-mech and the present. This is why I suggest that anyone involved in these contingent offer situations get as much as possible in writing. I have seen more than one person secure their position under changing institutional policies because of the paper trail (and suitable ranting from supportive Full Professors, of course).
Other than that...???? Are you all really hearing of places that allow K01 submissions and never intend for you to receive it at their institution? Are they expecting you to do this as a trial run, or to get a leg up, while you are getting a job elsewhere? This is all very foreign to me if so....