Pro-Test Open Thread

Apr 22 2009 Published by under Animals in Research, Open Thread

For anything you might want to say in favor of animal research or against ARA terrorism.
Anyone at the UCLA rally feel free to drop updates and vibe for the home crowd to appreciate!
@dosmonos is Twittering the rally
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    Update: initial reports are for 600-700 attendees at the Pro-Test rally versus maybe 30 counter-protesters. Keep in mind that LA has been a hotbed for the ARA activity over the past years. And this is the ratio? Yup, sounds about right. Those who oppose well-regulated scientific research are in the distinct minority.

    9 responses so far

    • anonymous says:

      I am going to be at the rally in an hour or so, and just want to thank you for all of the attention you've given this event and all of the ongoing issues surrounding it at UCLA. This is an important day, and the support is very appreciated!

    • a researcher says:

      In nonhuman primate research labs we tell people right off to watch what they say about the work. To their friends, family and in the coffee shop. We do this because the downside of coming to the attention of the ARA fringe is so severe.
      Perhaps today will change that course. Can we sustain this magnitude of public support for our fellow researchers each and every time someone is attacked?

    • JLK says:

      My contribution (while I continue to find relevant episodes for every single debate in the blogosphere):
      An episode of Penn & Teller Bullshit dealing with PETA:


    • anonymous says:

      The rally was amazing. 700-800 people (by the estimates of the UCPD) vs about 40 animal rights activists. They were so outnumbered that they actually left for elsewhere on campus before we had even finished accumulating. Dr. Jentsch spoke, as did other researchers and administrators, followed by Tom Holder. It has been a lot of work in the making, but the UC community can be very proud of itself. Hopefully this is just the beginning of a nationwide movement to educate the public about the importance of animal research.

    • fastmale says:

      "ARA terrorism?"
      That phrase says a lot about the mindset of the writer. No one with a heart full of compassion wishes to terrorize humans. They just wish for the horrendous suffering of animals to be stopped.
      "Eco terrorism" is another loaded phrase that betrays the prejudices of the person who uses it.
      Come on guys. Using either of those phrases blows any chance of scientific objectivity out the window. Use those phrases and you take sides in a holy war.

    • Cleveland says:

      No one with a heart full of compassion wishes to terrorize humans. They just wish for the horrendous suffering of animals to be stopped.
      You are presuming a lot to think that the terrorist fringe is full of compassion.
      Using either of those phrases blows any chance of scientific objectivity out the window. Use those phrases and you take sides in a holy war.
      Oh yes? Don't you believe in the concept of terrorism as a tactic of those in the weaker position to try to even up the odds? Does it exist or does it not? I say it does. Next question, are the ARA extremist views intentionally trying to frighten researchers out of using animal models (see Ringach) by way of violence or threats of violence? Well, if you listen to the claims of those taking responsibility they sure think that is what they are doing. Next question, are researchers feeling afraid and terrorized and intimidated? Yup, many of the voices which spoke out this week show that this is the case.
      In short you are totally full of it. It is terrorism by both the intent of the perpetrators and the effect on the victims. Not to mention by the face validity- what other conceivable reason would strangers come and fire some guy's car for?

    • Paul says:

      The LA times has followed up its coverage of the Pro-Test rally with, guess what, a readers poll on the issue. So if you want to continue the fun the poll that could do with some crashing, currently the anti-vivs are ahead.
      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/04/activists-clash-peacefully-over-animal-experimentation-at-ucla-demonstrations.html

    • DuWayne says:

      fastmale -
      If it's not terrorism, then what the fuck exactly would you fucking call it? Terrorism is terrorism, whatever the fucking motivation.

    • chad says:

      to take say you are "for animal research" is just as bad as saying you are "against animal testing". you should look at things on a case by case basis. the animal rights folks have documented a lot of really cruel and totally unnecessary things done in the name of science. if there was no mistreatment of animals by scientists, then there wouldnt be so much controversy about the subject.
      folks for both sides shouldn't let their political views blind them.

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